Posted June 12, 2013

Watch: Zack Greinke in the middle of another bean-brawl in L.A.

Brawls, Ian Kennedy, Zack Greinke

Five different people were ejected after the Dodgers and Diamondbacks brawled during Tuesday night's game. [AP]

Five different people were ejected after the Dodgers and Diamondbacks brawled during Tuesday night’s game. [AP]

Ian Kennedy led the majors in hit batsmen last year and was leading the National League again this year heading into Tuesday night’s game. Zack Greinke, meanwhile, had hit just one batter all season, but that one stray pitch resulted in a fight that left him with a broken left collar bone and cost him a month of his season.  With those two on the mound Tuesday night at Dodger Stadium, things got ugly once again.

Without trying to determine the intention on the part of the pitchers, here’s what happened in Tuesday night’s Diamonbacks-Dodgers game:

Dodgers rightfielder Yasiel Puig was hit in the face by an Ian Kennedy fastball in the sixth inning. That came on a 1-2 count with one out and the bases empty and Arizona leading 2-0. Puig, as he did after appearing to pull up lame after a second-inning groundout, stayed in the game. Andre Ethier followed with a game-tying home run.

Diamondbacks catcher Miguel Montero, while leading off the next inning, was hit between the numbers by a Zack Greinke fastball on a 2-1 count. That resulted in the benches clearing but no actual fighting. Both teams were issued a warning by home plate umpire Clint Fagan. The Diamondbacks did not score in the inning.

Greinke himself was hit in the left shoulder by the first pitch he saw from Kennedy in the bottom of the seventh, a fastball headed straight for his head. Though Greinke reacted calmly, the benches emptied again, and this time the teams came out to fight. Here’s the action starting with Kennedy’s pitch to Greinke:

That mess resulted in the immediate ejection of Kennedy and his manager, Kirk Gibson, as well as the ejections of brawlers Puig, who can’t seem to stay out of the news, Dodgers hitting coach Mark McGwire, and Diamondbacks assistant hitting coach Turner Ward (number 15 in the video above).

There was some previous bad blood between these two teams in 2011 when Clayton Kershaw took exception from the bench to Gerardo Parra admiring a home run. In his start the next day, Kershaw hit Parra in the side with an inside pitch in the sixth inning and was immediately ejected, but neither of those players were at the center of Tuesday night’s conflict.

32 comments
John NoLastName
John NoLastName

Bunch of overgrown 8-year-olds on the playground.

Yeah, it takes a big man to stand 60 ft away from somebody and throw a hard object at them.

Wisconsin Death Trip
Wisconsin Death Trip

For a guy (Greinke) whose a registered antisocial-ist (lol), the man sure knows how to host a party at the mound! YIKES!

Markus
Markus

I love how Kennedy couldn't wait to get off the field after tossing the beanball.  What a coward.  Appears he was lookin for his mama to clean up his mess.

arog12
arog12

Kennedy is so Bush it is pathetic.  he hits someone in the face, Greinke retaliates with one between the numbers and Kennedy thinks it is cool to throw at Greinke's head?  Seriously?  Where did he learn baseball?

Michael10
Michael10

I think the biggest outrage is that some would dare hold Greinke--whose control is allegedly worth $25M a season--responsible for plunking yet another batter.

What is that old saying about people with glass shoulders?

dstop
dstop

Donnie Baseball took down Trammell like a champ!!  Even post-roids, McGwire looks pretty darn scary when he's angry.

tmcarthur1980
tmcarthur1980

Good to see the Roid Rage hasn't worn off of McGwire yet.  Williams had that oh $@#! look for a second.

DougKaiser
DougKaiser

If you or I stood on a street corner and threw a baseball at someone walking by we wold be arrested.  It's time to make this a legal issue.  A pitcher throws at a batter, he gets arrested.  When exactly did so-called professional athletes become exempt from the law?  These knuckleheads get in fights, throw baseballs, bats, helmets and whatever else they can get hold of and they call it old school baseball.  We teach sportsmanship to our children in little league and they are penalized and/or punished for not showing good sportsmanship yet the pro athletes get paid millions a year for playing the game poorly and trying intentionally to hurt one another.  

Tony3
Tony3

yes, 70% of his team mates are hispanic 70% of the fans in the stands are Hispanic

John D2
John D2

Puig is seen yelling.. Can anyone on the team understand the cuban????

ConcernedFan75
ConcernedFan75

It's absolutely unacceptable that pitchers can throw at the heads of batters without consequence. It's simply too dangerous, and sooner or later someone's going to lose their season or career or life (again). Pitchers should face at least the possibility of immediate ejection--regardless of whether the pitch was perceived as accidental or intentional, whether the pitch was the first or the "retaliation" beaning--as well as fines and/or suspensions. Sound extreme? Too much a violation of tradition? Ask the NFL how they've dealt with those same considerations to protect players' heads. Don Mattingly said it well after the game: "If you can't pitch inside without hitting somebody in the head, then you shouldn't pitch inside." I'd add, you shouldn't be pitching, period.

Imagine if a batter who was just thrown at, around his head, turned and threw his bat at the pitcher. The sports world would be up in arms, and that player would very likely be suspended for multiple games. I concede that a baseball being intentionally thrown in the vicinity of a batter is actually a legitimate action in the game, while a baseball bat being intentionally thrown in the vicinity of a pitcher is not. But a baseball being intentionally thrown at a batter's head is also not a legitimate action in the game. In that moment the pitcher is using an object in the game as a weapon to threaten or hurt another human being. That'd be the case, too, for a batter throwing a bat at a pitcher. We should react to pitchers throwing at batters' heads with the same shock and disgust and concern for safety as if a batter had thrown a bat at the pitcher.

BradGardiner
BradGardiner

If you are going to bring up Parra admiring his home run, which is true, then you need to mention that the pitcher also threw one behind his head earlier in the at bat. 

Sportsfan18
Sportsfan18

Why did they throw at Greinke?  This is baseball.  Puig was hit and in the face.  Greinke had to retaliate and he did.  It was even then.  Each team had one hitter who had been hit with a pitch.  Greinke didn't start it, the other team hit Puig first.  The D-backs and certainly their old school manager Kirk Gibson know better.  

PAZSKY
PAZSKY

@tmcarthur1980 I disagree, Williams was staring at McGwire the whole time. I don't think he was intimidated.

David2
David2

@DougKaiser Since bean balls are part of the game, no different than fighting in hockey, implied consent applies.  Only when one goes beyond "normal" occurrences, for example, maybe charging the mound with a bat and clubbing the pitcher, does the legal system get involved.

Michael10
Michael10

@ConcernedFan75 Neither of those pitches was intentionally thrown at a batter's head. The second was probably intentionally thrown AT Greinke (just like Greinke threw AT Montero three times, despite only hitting him on the third), but both pitches struck in the shoulder and deflected into the helmet.

RobMaynard
RobMaynard

@Sportsfan18 What they failed to mention and pretty poorly at that was that Greinke hit Cody Ross a tad earlier.. Puig's hit looked like Kennedy lost control of the ball throwing for the top corner of the strike zone not intentional... Greinke purposely hit Montero then of course Kennedy already at 90 something pitches hit Greinke.. on top of that after all was clear the new Dodgers pitcher who came in pitched 1 pitch.. then the 3rd baseman ran to the mound game halted... he throws 3 in the dirt than one deep inside to Gerardo Parra. overall stupid actions by both teams good noone was hurt but was fun seeing roid rage from McGwire on Matt Willians and Kirk Gibson..  It isn't like this is the first time Greinke has done this.. see Carlos Quentin for example

Michael10
Michael10

@RobMaynard @Sportsfan18 I was going to say that, too. I haven't come across one postgame account that mentions Cody Ross as the first batter hit in this chain of events. I haven't seen the video of that HBP, so I don't know what Greinke's intent was, but the video of the pitch to Puig shows that Kennedy was clearly upset that it had gotten away from him. Greinke's beaning of Montero was intentional--he tried to do it on three straight pitches. Greinke should have been ejected at that point, but instead the benches were warned. Kennedy's pitch to Greinke was the same as the one to Puig, but the circumstances and reaction imply it was intentional (although Montero seemed to tell Greinke otherwise). 

Kennedy and Gibson were both tossed after the pitch (did they assume Gibson ordered it?), and Puig was tossed as the most blatant instigator in the ensuing brawl. I can't tell from the video why McGwire was ejected but not Belisario or Mattingly (one was throwing punches and the other Alan Trammell)--or why Turner Ward was ejected at all. 

I doubt there will be any further repercussions for either Kennedy or Greinke, but I would not be surprised to see suspensions for Puig, Belisario, McGwire and/or Mattingly all of whom were the most combative/belligerent men in the ensuing brawl.

DougKaiser
DougKaiser

@PAZSKY @DougKaiser @David2 I won't argue with you one worse role models but still doesn't excuse athletes from being more than a bit on the careless side.  I challenge any player that says it's okay to throw at a batter to stand defenseless and let a pitcher throw baseballs at him.


DougKaiser
DougKaiser

@JoeCabot @DougKaiser I am far from PC but as long as sports are looked as a place to hurt someone because they accept is ridiculous.  I find it hard to believe that all baseball players accept being hit intentionally.  If that were the case then why charge the mound when they get hit.  Pretty much destroys that argument.

PAZSKY
PAZSKY

@DougKaiser @David2 Please Doug, get a life..there are worse role models than athletes, like Republicans and religious nuts who want to run our lives.

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@DougKaiser Why not just ban sports?  Then you political correctness junkies can get rid of violence, bad sportsmanship, inappropriate role models, and those evil team names all at once.

David2
David2

@DougKaiser  You still fail to grasp that it's not "special treatment".  The players have implicitly agreed to participate in an athletic competition that entails some physical contact and dangerous situations.  One cannot be guilty of assault when the "victim" is a willing participant.

DougKaiser
DougKaiser

@David2 @DougKaiser So you're okay with special treatment for athletes because assault and battery are part of the game?  And yet we wonder what is wrong with our society.

David2
David2

@DougKaiser Whether they SHOULD be or not has already been decided by over a century of play, and it clearly explains why your suggestion that it should be dealt with criminally is not appropriate.

Michael10
Michael10

@iknowmynameissteven@Michael10@RobMaynard@Sportsfan18The point is, it's omitted information that colors the readers impression of the incident. The way all of these postgame articles have been written suggest Kennedy went for Puig's head and Greinke only "did what he had to do." The first intentional action was the beaning of Montero; Greinke probably should have been tossed at that point. Greinke tried three times to hit Montero to make it look accidental; Kennedy didn't screw around, he just plunked Greinke right off. That's the only difference in the two HBPs.

GeraldRosenstingel1
GeraldRosenstingel1

@Michael10 @RobMaynard @Sportsfan18 

I think the Kennedy went too far. Yes, the pitch to Puig got away from Kennedy, so Greinke maybe should not have thrown at Montero. At least he hit im in the side or his back. Kennedy throwing at Kershaws head is unexcuseable. If you want to hit him, then go ahead but don't throw at his head. This is too dangerous. Most of the time there is more than just one event leading up to something like this and things get out of control. That is part of the game. Throwing at someones head on purpose is not, or shouldn't be. Way too dangerous.