Posted August 07, 2013

David Ortiz is still flummoxed by his positive drug test from 2003

David Ortiz, Performance Enhancing Drugs
David Ortiz, Red Sox

David Ortiz reportedly failed baseball’s survey test back in 2003. (Elise Amendola/AP)

In the wake of Monday’s biogenesis suspensions, David Ortiz was asked by radio station WEEI prior to Tuesday night’s game if anyone had ever told him what he had reportedly tested positive for during Major League Baseball’s supposedly anonymous 2003 survey testing, a result revealed by the New York Times in July 2009. Here’s his response.

No. Nobody. Not MLB. Not the Players Association. Nobody. They just threw it out there that I tested positive on this one list and that was it. Nothing. So I have to deal with that, and your mind is all over the place. And I’ve lived with it.

I don’t think I’m going to have a worse year than ’09 and I came out of it. That’s the one thing I look at and the one thing I tell myself, “If you survive through that, you’re a warrior.” A lot of things went down that year. Things I had nothing to do with. It was somebody was trying to hurt me.

It is something that is still in the dark because nobody ever had the [guts] to come to me and say, ‘This is what was happening.’ You damaged my image at the time, and it has always stayed like that. No explanation. No nothing.

A lot of things happen in your career that has to do with bad people trying to do stupid things.

Ortiz is one of seven players since revealed to have tested positive in 2003. The others were then-teammate Manny Ramirez (who has since tested positive two more times), Alex Rodriguez (who is appealing the suspension he received in connection with the Biogenesis scandal on Monday), Larry Bigbie, Jason Grimsley and David Segui (all three of whom appeared in the Mitchell Report) and Sammy Sosa. Only the substance Rodriguez tested positive for is known, that information coming out in a February 2009 Sports Illustrated report by Selena Roberts and David Epstein.

101 comments
JohnSpisz
JohnSpisz

I see a lot of disgruntle Yankees fans posting comments here. You guys are getting everything you deserve for cheering on a admitted cheater.

Jeff Davis
Jeff Davis

watching the bosox fans, roast rodriguez, in tonights game, and slobber all over big fakey, is truly nauseating. HYPOCRITES 

11ryeman11
11ryeman11

If you listened to the MLB broadcast of the game of the week, you could hear the announcers fawning over Big Popout, even discussing his hall of fame cred as the first DH to go in.  And he supposedly agreed with John Lackey who said A Rod should not be playing. What a crock.! Ortiz is one of the "good cheaters" like Andy Pettitte, who get a pass from writers because they are nice guys. In L.A., another "reformed" cheat  Mark McGwire now says that the media needs to back off the story because MLB drug testing is doing just fine. Huh? Now Albert Pujols denies that his career included PED's because he says he's a Christian family man. Thank goodness some of the media is staying on this.

const56
const56

Yeah, it flummoxes me too that baseball and the media seems to ignore his positive test. He's a big time cheat. I nearly threw up when I saw him prominently at Cooperstown exhibits.

DaveKelly
DaveKelly

I wonder why he hasn't sued mlb for telling lies about him? Maybe because it is true

hili
hili

Ortiz enjoy putting on the gullible media and boston fans. Fist of all, he would never use the word flummoxed, and, 2nd, he has been protected by MLB and the rabid, religious, red sox fans. He is user, otherwise, how is he hitter better now than in his prime.

RickHills
RickHills

From Bleacher Report July 4, 2007. Ortiz said that he used to buy a protein shake in the Dominican Republic when he was younger, but that he no longer used it. He admitted he didn't know all of the shake's ingredients...that must have been one expensive shake!

He is guilty. They are all doing it. It's the dumb ones that are getting caught.


Jai2
Jai2

No one from MLB has ever confirmed he was on that list and they can't because there is a gag order so until there is proof people need to stop saying he is guilty

Happapapa
Happapapa

David plays dumb despite his numbers. They tell the years he was dirty just like everybody else's . His excuse he took pain killers that just happened to have ped's in them . It's amazing how these athletes seem to find these infected drugs and when they know the consequences don't really know what they are taking. Either stupid or a liar, we know he is not stupid. Give it up and just admit you were dirty just like A Roid.

RickHills
RickHills

flummoxed...really David? Who the Frick are trying to kid. Yourself or everyone else?!

STFU and take ownership. It wasn't a random report that had your name on it. No doubt and no question you're still juicing.

MarkCalasade
MarkCalasade

Don't want to show up as testing positive for PEDs?

Then stop f**king taking them.

sunalsorises
sunalsorises

I'll clear up the mystery.  It was steroids that produced the positive steroid test.

woocane
woocane

A-Rod's gotta be thinking -- why didn't I come out with that story in 2009?

SeanGange
SeanGange

Go through the list of players caught or suspended for PEDs and probably 25% come from the NY Yankees organization. St. Louis, Boston, Texas, Seattle are all high on that list also but not to the extent that NY is. 

 Also, I have always wondered why PED users are ostracized much worse in baseball than in other professional sports. This conversation doesn't take place with NFL players and let's face it that many human beings do not grow that big that often. What about NBA players? Do they just not test them? No one looks like a full grown man in high school (LBJ)! Why care? It's their own lives they are endangering!

 Why did the American government feel the need to drag athletes into Congress? Who cares if some athletes use and others choose not to? Level playing field? Some also choose to train and others don't. Level playing field? Some athletes are more athletically gifted. Level playing field? Just go out and play and let  us enjoy the spectacle.

KevinDoucette
KevinDoucette

Flummoxed?

Half the league is probably on the juice right now. did they just suspend a dozen players (who have never failed a drug test)! they have proof that they took drugs but they never failed a test. MLB is doing a great job now aren't they. It seems the only way they catch anyone is when a newspaper finds enough evidence that they feel they have to move in. They catch one useless player a year.

In 03 there were over 100 players that supposedly had PED's in their system. That's over 4 full teams. and that's just the ones they caught. The real number might be double or triple that. It's ridiculous.

jimmyjon_55555
jimmyjon_55555

Has there been 1 case of someone who tested positive being cleared???  NO!!  and that entire sox squad of 04 and 07 were juicing... BIG.  Bill Mueller was a 280 career hitter before he got to the sox...and had a career year at 32 and led the AL in hitting.  cmon...his OPS was 860 on the sox- 760 everywhere else.  go figure.       

Yet ESPN is pushing for this clown to go into the HOF with their horde of Sox lovers on the Baseball tonight squad.  cant even watch it anymore.   

JohnHill1
JohnHill1

Yeah you failed and have the nerve to point your finger at others! I wish you forgot how to speak English like Sosa!

graymer714
graymer714

The Ortiz stat line indicates he is back on the juice

Theo
Theo

Take this pink hat propagnda down for the love of Christ. The guy is as dirty as Manny but the pink hat nation is in full Bristol CT protect mode . . . I hope to God this team that hasn't made the playoffs in three seasons gets swept right out so we're not subjected to the sycophants in the media treating them like they do the criminal scumbag and his fat azz betch wife. Go TB!!!

tracejuno
tracejuno

He tested positive and never got a suspension. Still he's "flummoxed". Spoiled brat!

Mel
Mel

So let's do a time line here....


He fails a steroid test.....


Thinking it's secret, he comes out ripping steroid use, saying those that fail a test should be banned for life....


It's announced that he failed a test and suddenly for nearly 5 years, he has absolutely no comment at all....


Now 5 years after that announcement, and 10 years after failing that test, he says he knew nothing, no one told him anything, and it's just "poor ol' me". 


Pardon me for thinking he's absolutely full of $hit. Dude failed a test, he KNOWS he failed a test. That is why he wasn't a home run hitter in Minnesota. That's why his power numbers dropped off drastically after testing started. Dude is a big talker without the balls to admit what he did.

Lufts
Lufts

Since there has never been a false positive in the history of PED testing, only his own amnesia is making him forget what he took, and is clearly still on.

Shooter McGavin 19711
Shooter McGavin 19711

Clearly, it was whatever Manny was helping him take at the time.  Papi and Manny were two of the biggest cheats in baseball.  And this who innocence nonsense on Papi's behalf is laughable.  Not even Boston fans believe him.... (well, not Boston fans who have IQ's over 75 anyway)


sportsGuy12
sportsGuy12

just destroy a phone then he won't be mad

cborgia
cborgia

He wants to know which PED they caught him for? Papi is a more likeable guy than Arod or Bonds, but he has a classic PED profile. I'd bet that he's still at it.  

RockLancaster
RockLancaster

Jim Thome is a bigger fraud than Ortiz ever was.

samlang
samlang

@const56 


Positive test of what? Sounds like you know. So please share. 

DanNYK213
DanNYK213

@hili 

I do have to say it is POSSIBLE -- not likely  but possible -- to get the mechanics of your swing down and learn the league and find "it" later on in your career. It is just that he was already an accomplished -- average -- hitter and all of a sudden he became a beast at the plate that makes it seem less likely that he did this naturally. Even as a Yankees fan, because he seems like a genuinely nice guy, I would want to believe he did it naturally but in my heart of hearts I just don't.  

DanNYK213
DanNYK213

@Jai2 

You mean the same "gag order" that was supposed to be in place when they outed A-Rod? 

Come on man, he is GUILTY. I'm a HUGE A-Rod fan and I wish Ortiz wasn't on the Sox because I am a fan of his too (although hard as he is a natural rival) but so many of these are guilty. 

The problem however isn't the players -- it is THE GAME. 

They make it too profitable to cheat. The suspensions are a joke -- 50 games??? Let's start by voiding contracts!!! Yes, no PED user will likely ever get into the HOF but how may players does that actually effect? Think of how many thousands and thousands of players are in the game, from Singe A to Double A to Triple A to the DR to Japan to these international leagues (etc etc etc) and obviously MLB. If you are a guy like Melky Cabrera or Edwin Encarnacion or Bartolo Colon or Nelso Cruz, etc ... these are not HOF guys. They know even if they get caught they are going to cash in -- and they have. Look at Braun. He has over $120 million still coming to him. Yeah, he is one fo the few that might lose any HOF chances but when you have $120 million or so coming to you, was it worth it? For many guys the answer is YES!  

MiaGioia
MiaGioia

@SeanGange  

I don't think people would have cared about the steroid thing until a black guy who refused to know his place became so well known for it.

Bonds was easy to hate: He was arrogant, rude, conceited, prickly with everyone from fans to management--he was the most hated player in baseball since Ty Cobb, and all of that made him the perfect scapegoat.

But I put McGwire at the top of the list. He made juicing seem more attractive or more necessary to other players. If they did what he did, they, too, could be in the running to knock in 70 dingers! Worse, it wouldn't surprise me if Canseco is right and McGwire was juicing as far back as his Oakland days. That's at least 8 or 9 years of juicing before Bonds ever got around to it.

MarkCalasade
MarkCalasade

@SeanGange Despite the popularity of the NFL, baseball IS America's sport. It's part of our tapestry, woven into our legacy. NFL is just a game. Basketball? The same. Baseball? It's a part of who we are as a nation.

LetsGoYanks
LetsGoYanks

@SeanGange i like how the first comment was that 25% of them come from the yankees organization.  Arod - didn't come from Yankees and took them before he was a yankee.  In fact, most cases of Yankees being users were when they signed the player AFTER they took them.  Clemens - while in toronto before the yankees too.  In fact, i think the correlation you should draw should be they sign players with big numbers who later show the numbers were steriod produced.

And why baseball?  b/c they have the most cases of it still.  Football's drug testing was in well before baseball's and is almost as tough as the Olympics testing.  They minimized the problem during the time baseball was ignoring it.  And no leaks about NBA or NHL players coming out in scandals like Balco and Biogensis, so that's why MLB is in the fire.  ANd finally, about Congress, its to get their name out.  Who brought all those players in front of Congress - John McCain.  Who ran for president that next election - John McCain. Now you see why it was brough out in Congress?   Publicity. 

MiaGioia
MiaGioia

@KevinDoucette  


You don't need to fail a drug test to be susbended for PEDs, moron.

Here is the exact rule:

"All players shall be prohibited from using, possessing, selling, facilitating the sale of, distributing, or facilitating the distribution of any Drug of Abuse, Performance Enhancing Substance and/or Stimulant (collectively referred to as Prohibited Substances)."

The evidence is that the dozen players in the Biogenesis case paid to possess or use PEDs. Do you think Biogenesis didn't have things like invoices, canceled checks, credit card transactions, and so on, to back up their assertion?


A-ROID and Lyin Braun got extended suspensions for violating other MLB rules that apply to them. I have a feeling those could have been longer. A lot longer, depending on what Braun and A-Roid did to get the worst punishments of the 12.

Welcome to reality.

JakeFromStateFarm17
JakeFromStateFarm17

@Mel You seem to conveniently forget Kelly in Minn. didn't want him and ran him out and Kelly has almost admitted that also 

Chris16
Chris16

@Shooter McGavin 19711 

I'm a Sox and and you're right, of course not. He was like a what, 240 hitter in Min, and gets to Boston and suddenly is one of the best power hitters in the game?

I realize Fenway's dimensions play into certain kinds of swings nicely, but not THAT nicely. Even when he came out of the slump last year most people were like "oh, guess he started taking his mystery substance again". 

westprice
westprice

This guy is one of the Sox fans that have an IQ below 75, I guess.

Mel
Mel

@RockLancaster  Oh? Thome's not the one that actually failed a ped test. Thome is the one who's numbers actually declined with age, like a normal, non steroid using player's should. I've never once heard Thome linked to steroids, corked bats, etc etc. But hey, believe what you want.

SeanGange
SeanGange

@MarkCalasade @SeanGange That's not really an logical answer. Football is more popular than baseball is right now and if it wasn't for the steroid era and the home run explosion then baseball might be in really big trouble now. Remembering back to the 70s when spikes in home runs were always blamed on juiced balls but apparently it was juiced athletes.


SeanGange
SeanGange

@LetsGoYanks @SeanGange don't be misled that NFL players aren't taking steroids! They are. Olympic athletes are! NBA players are! I remember when Jose Canseco's book came out and he guesstimated that 80% of MLB players take and he was castigated and called an attention seeker tattle tale. While his number may have been high, he was right!

damndaleks
damndaleks

@const56 @samlang @const56 @samlang So reading through that article it says nothing about what he tested Positive for. That article also states that "Ortiz had not been linked to Performance Enhancing Drugs". Im not a member of RSN but i can tell you that they forgot about it because its a baseless accusation. So until you have proof not a New York Times article written by a political columnist, im going to say your full of it.