Posted October 24, 2013

Torre on Jon Lester glove controversy: ‘No complaints’

World Series
Jon Lester, Red Sox

It appeared as though Jon Lester had some kind of substance on his glove during World Series Game 1. (Jamie Squire/Getty Images)

The greenish substance inside the glove of Boston Game 1 starter Jon Lester has become the source of next-day controversy and conjecture. What was it and was he “cheating?” But there was no controversy during the game, a key point regarding whether the substance impacted the game or whether there will be repercussions.

“There were no complaints from the Cardinals or observations from the umpires about the baseball doing anything funny or irregular,” MLB vice president Joe Torre said. “We will ask around, but without any complaint I don’t know what else you can say.”

Though rules prohibit pitchers from using foreign substances, they routinely use a mixture of substances such as pine tar, sun lotion, resin and water to improve their grip on the baseball. The practice is especially common in cold weather, when baseballs are more slick to the touch. The temperature last night at Fenway Park was 49 degrees for the first pitch. Players accept the practice as part of the game as long as the pitcher is discreet with his substances and that the substances don’t cause the baseball to move abnormally.

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Said one former player, “I would rather have a pitcher have a grip on the baseball than have it slip out of his hand at my head.”

Improved camera technology and the internet have caused on old practice to get new examination. Other pitchers to come under public scrutiny for the practice without coming under any discipline from MLB include Kenny Rogers in the 2006 World Series and Clay Buchholz and Mariano Rivera this year.

46 comments
MrArlington
MrArlington

Torre, Red Sox, and Cards should be ashamed of themselves. Hearing Matheny say he is embarrassed that a member of his organization made this is an issue is despicable. He is throwing a minor leaguer under the bus when it is pretty clear something fishy is up with Lester.

ngk11
ngk11

The Cardinals are playing it rite. It doesnt do any good to complain about it now--What are they going to do replay the game? But I would bet he is watched really close game 5, and It will mess with Lesters mind if he doesnt have the luxury of cheating in that game

CPUtalking2U
CPUtalking2U

So Mr. Torre,  if a cop sees a robber leaving your house with loot, he shouldn't stop him because nobody else complained? Amazing how corrupt MLB is, and the old people in charge are covering up decades of inept management.  Now the average age of World Series viewers is in the 50's - Madison Ave doesn't love MLB anymore and soon it will fall to the hockey time slots! Careful - can't go crazy on ARod but turn a blind eye to all the steroid use and pitcher cheats in Boston

jimhbs
jimhbs

Jon Lester, now that he has an okay from mlb, asked if it would be ok to take a jar of hismagic substance to the mound. I understand it discolors his glove. Whatever happened to the foreign substance rule? It is not Vaseline but a tacty substance that allows him to get more spin on his cutter. Review the video when he had the bases loaded and see what was going on. I would wager he used the substance every pitch. Where is Gaylord Perry when you need him to explain this all to us? 

DAN B1
DAN B1

Lester quoted as saying    " I misinterpreted the rules."

bleexeo
bleexeo

That's typical Red Sux baseball for ya.



PhillyPenn
PhillyPenn

Just another example of cheating in Boston

1)John Lester

2)Spygate and Bill Belicheat

3) Patriots "push" on Field Goal attempts by opposing teams

4)Manny, Papi and God knows who else all juiced up in 2004

5)Boston College point shaving scandal


Cheating is in the water up there.

SC1
SC1

Cheating is cheating win or not. Cards played bad - no question about that and I have no complaints as long as the Sox didn't cheat. If an illegal substance permits ANY pitcher to be more accurate ... it is CHEATING. 

Why can't fans COMPLAIN when the evidence is SO OBVIOUS to everyone?

JoePhenorkee
JoePhenorkee

He's loading the ball. If he pitches again guarantee you will not see that gob in the same spot or at all.

Adolfis
Adolfis

So, as long as a player does not put up monster numbers they can use PEDS then huh?

SweetLightCrude
SweetLightCrude

I don't see the Cards complaining. Probably because they know that if they start worrying about what the pitcher's doing after they've given up 8 runs with some poor pitching and even worse defense . . . the series will be over pretty fast. 

To their credit, they seem to know better 



stangbuff
stangbuff

"...players accept the practice as part of the game as long as the pitcher is discreet with his substances and that the substances don’t cause the baseball to move abnormally."

What can be gathered from the Cardinals refusal to complain or and their minor league prospect suddenly removing his Tweet? Lester's pitches did not move abnormally, it is an accepted practice, and they don't want to create an issue where none exists. That's better left to the conspiracy theorists on the Internet. 

rbeane1956
rbeane1956

Note to Lester, make sure your substance color is black next time. There is no way an umpire can miss a bright green patch on your glove.

JackBriss
JackBriss

Just another loser looking to bash someone and most likely that Epson is a Cardinals fan. The fact is they got their backside kicked and someone didn't like it. There is absolutely NO evidence of any kind to back up the accusations. That green could be a number of things. 

This world today is so full of hate people will say anything to get noticed and try to ruin someones life.

Cardinal_Otoko
Cardinal_Otoko

While he "Might" have something on him. The simple fact that the St. Louis defense wore their "Clown Shoes" to game one makes the point moot. Kozma was put in for his glove. We saw how that worked. Freese booted a simple throw to first. Adam let one drop in front of him. Making stupid mistakes like this won't change what the opposing pitcher "might" have done. Get over it fellow Cardinal fans, and lets try and play the game tonight. 


AYahoo!u5er
AYahoo!u5er

Easy solution, have all players use white gloves that are inspected every inning. With all the money MLB makes and its drive to make the game clean I am sure they can afford to have 15 more guys on staff. 

CPUtalking2U
CPUtalking2U

@jimhbs MGR  Davey Johnon of Washington ratted bout his former pitcher for using pine tar in his glove… WHY has Boston always been above the law? Guess having Senator Mitchell on front office payroll helps -  that's why Big Papi, listed as a PED user- has never been punished! Big Papi was almost out of baseball a few years ago,  could hardly walk this past Spring Training.. suddenly Fenway Magic and he's cured -  like Napoli's bad back, Victorino's ailments, Ellsbury's broken foot---  wicked weehaard

Chuckster
Chuckster

@Scramble Now THAT is funny.   I can hear Ueker now..."Gaucamole ball lined to center".

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

@PhillyPenn Didn't a Phillies bullpen coach get busted for using binoculars to steal signs just a couple years back?   Don't the Eagles commit penalties(aka cheating) every game?   Didn't  several players with ties to the Phillies get busted for PEDs during the past few years?   Isn't former NBA ref/game fixer Tim Donaghy from Philly?   Seems like you folks may be drinking from the same water supply.

JakeFromStateFarm24
JakeFromStateFarm24

@PhillyPenn 

1 has no proof

2 Was a legal action

3 I suggest you look at the Pats FG that tied it up 

4 When did Manny ever test positive a a member of the team??Please show me Papi's test??

5 Most people could care less about BC and wow you had to reach back to '78

6 Please use the internet for other things other than twisting facts to match your jealousy issues, it might help

KevinDoucette
KevinDoucette

@Adolfis I guess it's part of the "Code". I still haven't seen it but it seems to be quite a large volume.

BillRogers
BillRogers

@stangbuff what i gather from that is that a lot of pitchers are using substances they are not supposed to use. I'd prefer MLB insists that players follow the rules


Calling this an internet conspiracy theory is hyperbole on your part. It may be accepted practice and that may be why pressure was applied to remove tweets but that should not make it accepted practice for MLB


I note that it was accepted practice in the 90s for players to use PEDs too - how did that work out? Follow the rules and apply the rules. Dont like them? change them


Simple stuff even an internet conspirator can handle it

JoePhenorkee
JoePhenorkee

@rbeane1956 I don't think the substance is green I think it mixes with the glove color and looks green

Adolfis
Adolfis

@JackBriss  Note to self : JackBriss might need you to talk in a very slow manner so he can understand you. He is obviously very dense!

theerichoward
theerichoward

@JackBriss Ummm.... seriously? The vine clearly shows he is using something. However, the last time a lefty pitcher used something on their glove against the Cards, that was the only game that team won in the Series. Wake up dude. You say the world is full of hate and then call someone a loser. LMAO.

BillRogers
BillRogers

@Cardinal_Otoko i agree about the cards playing the dang game and fans getting over it but not with the implication that allowing people to cheat is somehow OK.


It isn't OK and MLB ought to care more than they do - requiring a complaint ought not be necessary. They should investigate evidence wherever it came from.

boston_billy
boston_billy

@AYahoo!u5er dumb. can you imagine all the complaints from batters about white gloves distracting them from seeing the white ball? clearly you have never played the game. the player quote in the article says it all - stickum for control is better than getting beaned and every pitcher uses something along those lines.

jimhbs
jimhbs

@JakeFromStateFarm24 @PhillyPenn so Buchholz showed Lester how to to get more spin on his cutter. I bet Lester shows up with a different glove when he pitches next. If baseball wants to check out what happened all they have to do is check the balls. Each is marked with inning an pitch but that won't happen during the series. 

CPUtalking2U
CPUtalking2U

@JakeFromStateFarm24 @PhillyPenn Manny and Big Papi were both accused PED users--- like many other MLB players were too and their test results never made public either- why Big Papi gets away with what other players can't is because of Selig Mafia in bed with John Henry, who has Senator Mitchell on front office payroll… so no SAWX evahh worried about punishment---  wicked  weehaaard

Chuckster
Chuckster

@JakeFromStateFarm24 @PhillyPenn Wait wait wait...... On #3 ("Patriots 'push' on Field Goal attempts by opposing teams..... do that mean........    (WAIT FOR IT)................the Patriots are a bunch of "pushies" ?

Adolfis
Adolfis

@BlackhawkJayhawk @rbeane1956 Or did they? Like the article states "Players accept the practice as part of the game as long as the pitcher is discreet with his substances and that the substances don’t cause the baseball to move abnormally."

Maybe the practice of overlooking this type of cheating is being done by the game officials as long as the ball does not move in an abnormal way?

Adolfis
Adolfis

@boston_billy @AYahoo!u5er If cold weather control is an issue they should shorten the season down to 142 games. That would take the cold weather problem out of it. But wait, why on earth would MLB and the teams want to throw away that much revenue just so players do not have to cheat to maintain control on the baseball....

Chuckster
Chuckster

Wait wait wait...... Oh that's right.... Patriots lost anyway .   Facts are facts  

KevinDoucette
KevinDoucette

@Adolfis @KevinDoucette Agreed. As the day goes on it seems that this is almost a daily thing in MLB that fans don`t seem to know about. It seems every player is saying that they don`t think it`s cheating if it`s to help get a grip. They even have Card pitchers saying this in an article from last year. Totally ridiculous. It can`t be legal and illegal at the same time.