Posted December 09, 2013

Cox, La Russa, Torre unanimously elected to Hall of Fame; Miller shut out again

Hall of Fame
Joe Torre and Tony La Russa

Joe Torre and Tony La Russa combined to win seven World Series titles between 1989 and 2011. (AP)

Longtime managers Bobby Cox, Tony La Russa and Joe Torre were unanimously elected to the Hall of Fame by the Veterans Committee on Monday, capping overlapping careers that saw all three men lead teams to World Series championships and take multiple franchises to the postseason.

None of the others on the ballot — players Dave Concepcion, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Dave Parker, Dan Quisenberry and Ted Simmons, manager Billy Martin, owner George Steinbrenner and MLB Players Association chief Marvin Miller — received enough support to be elected this time around.

Cox managed the Toronto Blue Jays and Atlanta Braves for 29 years, starting with a mostly forgettable four-year run in Atlanta from 1978-81, moving on to Toronto from 1982-85 and then returning to the Braves from 1990-2010. Cox guided the Blue Jays to their first division title in 1985 and won 14 straight division crowns with the Braves from 1991-2005 (there was no postseason in 1994 because of the player’s strike). Cox’s Braves also won five pennants and the 1995 World Series title.

La Russa began his managerial career with the White Sox in 1979. He won one division title in eight years in Chicago, then moved on to Oakland, where he won four AL West crowns, three pennants and the 1989 World Series title. His greatest success came with the Cardinals, whom he took over in 1996. He won six division titles, three pennants and two World Series titles, including in 2011, his last season as a manager.

Torre, who followed Cox in Atlanta in 1982 and preceded La Russa in St. Louis, had his first managing job with the New York Mets in 1977. He stayed with the Mets until 1981, then moved to Atlanta in 1982.  He won the NL West title that season but was fired two years later. He suffered a similar fate with the Cardinals in 1995 after not having gotten them to the postseason since his arrival in 1990.

He was hired by the Yankees for the 1996 season and immediately began the most successful stint as a manager in the last 50 years. Torre won the World Series his first year and four of his first five seasons, while also winning six pennants in eight years and making the postseason in all 12 of his seasons in the Bronx. He moved on to the Dodgers from 2008-10, winning the NL West in his first two seasons there but failing to get back to the World Series.

The results of the BBWAA ballot will be announced in early January. The induction ceremonies will take place Sunday, July 27 in Cooperstown, N.Y.

53 comments
snarkk
snarkk

None of these managers ever knew any of their players were using 'roids, right?  So, they should absolutely get into the HOF, but their great players should obviously be blackballed from getting in.  Makes sense to me...

RD
RD

I know Torre won World championships with the Yankee's but even a mediocre or bad manager would have won multiple rings with all that talent.

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

With all of the vitriol being spewed around here at these guys, it is going to be incredible theater when Clemens, A-Rod, Pettitte, Sosa or any of the other PED  users get elected.  It will happen and watching heads explode all over the www is going to be fun to watch.

robert.bruce.parsons
robert.bruce.parsons

 Why would anyone even suppose that Marvin Miller deserved to be in the hall of fame?  He helped ruin the game.  It will never be the same.

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

Non of these Mangers are Hall of famers.. Where was Torre before he received the deep pockets of the Yankees Tony getting Wins from teams with guys with the arms of Donkey Kong and heads the size of Q-bert... while pretending he doesn't know what is going on... Players cheat we keep them out of the Hall of Fame... Managers WHOM benefit from cheating players should not be in the Hall of Fame and it should be all the winning Managers of the Steroid era..

The great thing about living through this era i will be able to tell my kids the truth about what happened instead of them reading the crap different people put out to cover up, and explain away...why its ok this person can benefit from cheating while that person over there cannot... Why that Manager became great all of a sudden and before he wasnt...

JohnFehner
JohnFehner

Every era had it's performance enhancements.  The 70's had greenies for instance. (legal speed). Tell me that Hank Aaron didn't use them considering his best work was in his later years.


Personally, I believe Bonds, Parker, Griffy Jr, Palmeiro et al belong in the Baseball Hall of Fame.  The same people who decry their behavior returned to the game in DROVES to watch them break long standing records.  Talk about hypocritical fans!

Cobrajoe
Cobrajoe

There are only 14 Hall of Famers and just 5 non-Hall of Famers that. all-time, have more than DAVE PARKER in all four of these categories- hits, home runs, RBI and extra base hits.(alphabetically) Aaron, Ba. Bonds, Dawson, Gehrig, Griffey Jr., C. Jones, Kaline, Mays, Musial, Murray, Ott, Perez, Ramirez, Ripken, F. Robinson, A. Rodriguez, Ruth, Winfield & Yastrzemski.

Parker is in the top 65 ALL-TIME in career:Hits (2712); RBI (1493); and Doubles (526). Also, is in the top 95 ALL-TIME in career home runs (339).

NL MVP1978 / All-Star MVP 1979 / NL batting champ 1977 & 1978 / World Series champion 1979 & 1989 / Outstanding DH Award 1989 & 1990 / All-Star Games 7 / Gold Gloves 3.

DAVE PARKER IS A HOF'er.

He recently disclosed he has Parkinson's Disease.  I hope that when the voters finally realize he is a HOF'er (alike Ron Santo R.I.P.), Mr. Parker is still in a condition to enjoy the honor, much less still be with us. Hopefully in three years, now that the three managers have been elected, Parker will finally get his just due from the Expanison Era voters.


I am ashamed that Parker's idol, Frank Robinson; Brewers'  teammate Paul Molitor; fellow coach on the Angels in 1997 Rod Carew (who by the way won the AL batting titles in 1977 & 1978 when Parker won the NL batting titles); and the manager of the 1979 NL All-Star game, Tommy Lasorda, who won because of game MVP Parker's two remarkable throws didn't / couldn't muster enough support for Dave Parker.


DSM
DSM

The HOF veterans selections are somewhat less scandalous than they were for decades. Players who were never selected by the people who actually watched them being voted in decades later only makes sense in the few cases of players who lost votes due to the voters being bigots or dishonest.  Instead, it was well known that Vets Committee members made deals with each other to get friends elected.

DSM
DSM

Torre's clubhouse--the one he was renowned for knowing everything about--was riddled with steroid users, too.  Why is the same media which is brutal in holding CEOs accountable silent about Torre an dLaRussa?

evetsyarsh
evetsyarsh

Now that Tony Larussa has been voted in, we can end this charade of pretending to not elect cheaters. The manager of McGwire, Canseco and many other steroid cheats gets in on the backs of cheaters. To pretend that he didn't know his biggest sluggers were on the juice is an insult to the intelligence of Larussa (LaJuice-ah), and his feigned ignorance is an insult to our intelligence. You can't live a reputation as a smart, perceptive guy and then pretend you didn't know. 


So with the cheater LaRussa in, why not let the rest of them in? A hall of fame is a museum of history, the good and the bad. And as the old baseball saying goes "you aren't trying if you're not cheating"......that is the true character of the game. 


So honor all of it, with the proper explanations or asterisks if you please.


A hall of fame without the leading hits, home run leaders is patently absurd, and hides nothing.

sfarris.math@gmail.com
sfarris.math@gmail.com

The only people who can get into the hall are people being honored for something other than playing baseball.  All of the players are doing roids according to the writers and thus they cannot possibly elect anyone ot the Hall for that.  They whould call it the baseball *peripheral* hall of fame, and the emphasis is on asterisk. ;)

josephfinn
josephfinn

The steroids enablers get in and one of the best labor leaders of the last half century is denied again.  Yep, that's about right for the HOF.

tootallgoof
tootallgoof

The HOF is too crowded.   Take out 10-15% of the players and then it would be about right.   If there is any doubt a player deserves from an average fan, they do not belong.  This rule works for every HOF in every sport.

Cobrajoe
Cobrajoe

The good ol' boy network is alive and well. I thought MAYBE since the election of Expansion Era candidates was out of the hands of stodgy and bigoted old farts that perhaps the great Dave Parker may finally get his due and be elected. But no. Instead we get three managers elected...managers that benefitted and relied upon the play and performance of the players...and NO players elected. A travesty. What is up with Morgan, Fisk, Carew, Robinson, Molitor, Niekro? Do they not have enough pull to convince the others on the panel that a player or two deserves election? I find it hypocritical that these guys, especially LaRussa, benefitted significantly from players who used PEDs et. al. and are being shut out of the HOF.

JohnHurley
JohnHurley

If Torre goes in as a manager, does that mean there will be no mention of his truly impressive days as a player?

ny6986
ny6986

Does steriod use not matter for managers? I think all three managers are HOF worthy, but do they bear some or any responsibility for their clubhouses? 

eddie767
eddie767

@friendly--neighborhood--scrawler Don't forget to tell your kids you cheered for the same players you call cheaters. So in a way to ok'd steroid use also. Don't be a hypochrite tell the whole truth.

HF4th
HF4th

Speed, which just makes you nervous, is a poor excuse for a performance enhancer. It doesn't build superhuman muscle reflex action like roids do. I say just have the HoF open up a PED wing, let the modern cheaters in and get it over with already. By leaving all the juiced hulks out, part of the history of baseball is being erased by a bunch of literary pocket protector nerds who are more in love with numbers than the game itself.

mjhellund
mjhellund

I don't know. Bobby Cox hit is wife at least twice.

PAZSKY
PAZSKY

@DSM Riddled?? Really?  A-Rod was AFTER the Yankees run. Only Clemns and minor guys were found to have taken them. Jeter, Posada, bernie, O'Neill, Tino, Cone, Key, etc, etc. The KEY guys. Idiot.

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

Touche.  Torre has been canonized by the media because he won in NY.  But...you have a good point.

MattEm
MattEm

@evetsyarsh Larussa didn't break any iconic home run numbers; McGwire did.  That's why Larussa gets in and McGwire doesn't.  Fans and the media don't care about PEDs and the integrity of the game--they still root for PED users if they homer for the team they root for.  They only care about preserving the precious home run numbers of daddy's heroes.  And when someone surpasses those numbers, they whine and complain.  I absolutely cannot wait until A-Rod passes fellow PED user and postseason underperformer Willie Mays so I can hear every baseball fan over the age of 45 whine and watch them wring their hands to the bone. It's going to be wonderful...

Marty2
Marty2

@josephfinn Good point.  These managers claimed not to know what was going on with steroids.  I would have respected them more if they would at least said they had a conflict of interest in the matter since many of those players were helping them win.  If most fans could tell, they sure as hell could!

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

When Miller was in the seat, there was nothing but labor strife.

Only once Miller left did baseball and its players enjoy such unprecedented prosperity and labor peace.


Yep, sounds like a great HOF candidate to me.  NOT.

tootallgoof
tootallgoof

Using that theory, should Scott Boras, almost universally considered the best agent, get in the HOF?   Just wondering because if Miller gets in than you need to consider Boras also.  

MrGameandShow
MrGameandShow

@tootallgoof Pretty sure everyone knows that most of HOF players are none deserving. Especially some of the vet committee, but at this point. Does it really matter? Game been around for Hundred and something plus years. Its bound to have a lot of players in. Unless you want ridiculously high standards.

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

Parker was a very good player, but not a HOF'er.

Yep, I guess it was bigotry that elected all of those Negro Leaguers, many of whom had shaky (at best) credentials.  You'll probably just say that not enough of them were elected.


People like you need to join the civilized world and stop trying to smear everyone who disagrees with you.

mscottf
mscottf

@ny6986 I agree. It bothers me that Tony LaRussa is lauded for the successful teams he managed but is never made accountable for the proliferation of steroid use on those teams. He either encouraged, enabled or looked the other way when Jose Canseco and Mark McGuire were pumping PEDs at Oakland, and then McGuire again at St. Louis. As management, he should be held responsible and equally punished as the players with regards to legacy and HOF status.

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

I agree.  LaRussa especially.  Oakland (which everyone knows about) and possibly St. Louis (ol' Albert was a machine with the Cardinals, but nowhere near as good in Anaheim).

aadaddy
aadaddy

@ny6986 Yay. It only took one comment for the Morality Mall Cops to arrive on the scene. 

JoeCabot
JoeCabot

If all speed does is make someone nervous, please explain why the usage was rampant.   Most PEDs are not used to build massive muscles or quick reflexes, but are used to rebound quicker from injuries and to get on the field when your body is saying no.  Speed is good at that.

DODGERFAIL2013
DODGERFAIL2013

you are grossly informed if you think "speed" just makes you "nervous".

PAZSKY
PAZSKY

@DSM The KEY guys won the Yankees the Championships, not the steroid users, not like Papi and Manny for the BoSox.

josephfinn
josephfinn

A good point about that conflict of interest.  If they ever addressed that, sure.  But nope, they just pretend they didn't know anything.

josephfinn
josephfinn

If by labor strife, you mean players striking to get proper pay and some say in where they played, yes.  So that's a good thing.  That labor peace came out because of all the work Miller had done.

ny6986
ny6986

@aadaddy @ny6986 I'm no morality mall cop. If I had a vote, it would be given to the likes of McGwire, Palmiero, Bonds, Clemens etc. The reason being is that until we know who did what, we shouldn't guess. The managers are being rewarded for their players' steriod use and the players, at least as far as HOF voting, are being punished. It seems unfair to me. 

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

So you object to leaders being held accountable for what goes on in their organizations.


I'll bet you were singing a much different tune during the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

No, Speed doesn't help you heal.  The opposite is true.


Speed revs you up to the limits of your abilities.  It doesn't expand those abilities like PEDs. 


Early "speed" user:  DiMaggio, who drank coffee constantly during a game.  He was also injured a lot because he played so hard, enhanced by caffeine. 

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

Your name calling and vicious language sure gives you a lot of credibility.  Typical union-booster.

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

By labor strife I mean constant daggers-drawn between players and owners.


The owners were horrible, no doubt.  But Miller instigated a lot of needless strikes; also, there's a difference between being tough and malicious -- Miller was the latter.  Miller may be the spiritual father (so to speak) of $100M contracts, but those contracts are why a ballgame costs so much. 


And don't blame the owners for stupidity, either.  If they try to band together to control costs (as in the 1980s), guys like you start foaming at the mouth about "collusion!"  

Can't have it both ways.

vanreuter
vanreuter

Announcers ARE in the HOF as are journalists...

Marvin Miller is one of the most important people in Baseball history. Anyone ignorant enough to compare him to an agent, or complain that he oversaw "strife" have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, nor do they know one whit about Baseball history.

tootallgoof
tootallgoof

Miller did a ton for the players, there is no question about that but if you allow a person outside baseball (which Miller is) you started a slippery slope for guys like Boras.    You could argue longtime announcers should be in like Vince Scully and Bob Ueker.